{
  "id": 528683,
  "title": "Question About Target",
  "url": "/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/528683",
  "author_name": "Andrew Matteson",
  "post_date": "2024-08-16T18:42:26.264000",
  "votes": 6,
  "comment_count": 1,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Is the target (Rp/Rs)^2, or delF/F? Equivalently, is there an assumed model of limb darkening implied by the simulated train and test data?</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 2964295,
      "postDate": "2024-08-19T17:29:28.363Z",
      "content": "<p>That’s an excellent question!</p>\n<p>The target in our simulations is ΔF/F, or the relative flux change during a transit, which corresponds to the transit depth. This is directly related to (Rp/Rs)^2, the square of the planet-to-star radius ratio. However, this relationship is perturbed by the contribution from the planet’s atmosphere.</p>\n<p>For a simple reference, let’s start with the model presented in <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07357\" target=\"_blank\">Sing (2018)</a>, eq. 15:</p>\n<p>$$<br>\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{\\pi R_p^2 + A}{\\pi R_s^2}<br>\n$$</p>\n<p>where A represents the contribution of the planet’s atmosphere to the signal. This can be rewritten as:</p>\n<p>$$<br>\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{R_p^2}{R_s^2} + \\frac{A}{\\pi R_s^2}<br>\n$$</p>\n<p>This highlights how the relationship between ΔF/F and Rp/Rs is perturbed by the planet’s atmosphere. This perturbation changes with wavelength due to the physical and chemical properties of the exoplanet’s atmosphere. I won't go into further details here, as there are already suggested <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/528233\" target=\"_blank\">references</a> that explain the science behind this more thoroughly.</p>\n<p>For this particular exercise, we’ve chosen not to include a limb darkening model to avoid adding further complexity to the problem.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "That’s an excellent question!\n\nThe target in our simulations is ΔF/F, or the relative flux change during a transit, which corresponds to the transit depth. This is directly related to (Rp/Rs)^2, the square of the planet-to-star radius ratio. However, this relationship is perturbed by the contribution from the planet’s atmosphere.\n\nFor a simple reference, let’s start with the model presented in [Sing (2018)](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07357), eq. 15:\n\n$$\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{\\pi R_p^2 + A}{\\pi R_s^2}\n$$\n\nwhere A represents the contribution of the planet’s atmosphere to the signal. This can be rewritten as:\n\n$$\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{R_p^2}{R_s^2} + \\frac{A}{\\pi R_s^2}\n$$\n\nThis highlights how the relationship between ΔF/F and Rp/Rs is perturbed by the planet’s atmosphere. This perturbation changes with wavelength due to the physical and chemical properties of the exoplanet’s atmosphere. I won't go into further details here, as there are already suggested [references](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/528233) that explain the science behind this more thoroughly.\n\nFor this particular exercise, we’ve chosen not to include a limb darkening model to avoid adding further complexity to the problem.\n",
      "votes": 10
    },
    {
      "id": 2961623,
      "postDate": "2024-08-16T18:42:26.263Z",
      "content": "<p>Is the target (Rp/Rs)^2, or delF/F? Equivalently, is there an assumed model of limb darkening implied by the simulated train and test data?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Is the target (Rp/Rs)^2, or delF/F? Equivalently, is there an assumed model of limb darkening implied by the simulated train and test data?",
      "votes": 6
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2964295,
      "author_name": "Lorenzo Mugnai",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-08-19T17:29:28.363000",
      "content": "<p>That’s an excellent question!</p>\n<p>The target in our simulations is ΔF/F, or the relative flux change during a transit, which corresponds to the transit depth. This is directly related to (Rp/Rs)^2, the square of the planet-to-star radius ratio. However, this relationship is perturbed by the contribution from the planet’s atmosphere.</p>\n<p>For a simple reference, let’s start with the model presented in <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07357\" target=\"_blank\">Sing (2018)</a>, eq. 15:</p>\n<p>$$<br>\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{\\pi R_p^2 + A}{\\pi R_s^2}<br>\n$$</p>\n<p>where A represents the contribution of the planet’s atmosphere to the signal. This can be rewritten as:</p>\n<p>$$<br>\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{R_p^2}{R_s^2} + \\frac{A}{\\pi R_s^2}<br>\n$$</p>\n<p>This highlights how the relationship between ΔF/F and Rp/Rs is perturbed by the planet’s atmosphere. This perturbation changes with wavelength due to the physical and chemical properties of the exoplanet’s atmosphere. I won't go into further details here, as there are already suggested <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/528233\" target=\"_blank\">references</a> that explain the science behind this more thoroughly.</p>\n<p>For this particular exercise, we’ve chosen not to include a limb darkening model to avoid adding further complexity to the problem.</p>",
      "votes": 10,
      "replies": []
    }
  ],
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    "2964295": "That’s an excellent question!\n\nThe target in our simulations is ΔF/F, or the relative flux change during a transit, which corresponds to the transit depth. This is directly related to (Rp/Rs)^2, the square of the planet-to-star radius ratio. However, this relationship is perturbed by the contribution from the planet’s atmosphere.\n\nFor a simple reference, let’s start with the model presented in [Sing (2018)](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.07357), eq. 15:\n\n$$\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{\\pi R_p^2 + A}{\\pi R_s^2}\n$$\n\nwhere A represents the contribution of the planet’s atmosphere to the signal. This can be rewritten as:\n\n$$\n\\Delta F/F = \\frac{R_p^2}{R_s^2} + \\frac{A}{\\pi R_s^2}\n$$\n\nThis highlights how the relationship between ΔF/F and Rp/Rs is perturbed by the planet’s atmosphere. This perturbation changes with wavelength due to the physical and chemical properties of the exoplanet’s atmosphere. I won't go into further details here, as there are already suggested [references](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/528233) that explain the science behind this more thoroughly.\n\nFor this particular exercise, we’ve chosen not to include a limb darkening model to avoid adding further complexity to the problem.\n",
    "2961623": "Is the target (Rp/Rs)^2, or delF/F? Equivalently, is there an assumed model of limb darkening implied by the simulated train and test data?"
  }
}