{
  "id": 533227,
  "title": "Is this a Machine Learning competition ?",
  "url": "/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/533227",
  "author_name": "Laurent Pourchot",
  "post_date": "2024-09-10T05:32:52.717000",
  "votes": 10,
  "comment_count": 12,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>It seems that the best results come from modeling and not from an ML, so I wonder if this is really an ML competition.<br>\nThe host ( <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/GordonYip\" target=\"_blank\">@GordonYip</a> ) posted a very interesting starter workbook but I haven't seen a workbook based on the approach achieving a \"decent\" score or the host notebook with a submission.</p>\n<p>Congratulations to the French team ! Space coders ( <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/vdebout\" target=\"_blank\">@vdebout</a>  &amp; <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/skril31\" target=\"_blank\">@skril31</a> ) who demonstrated their in-depth knowledge, because they are “professionals” in the space field. They achieved an incredible score and left everyone behind 😂. I'm afraid the competition is over (no ML for me) and I've published my work for those who still want to compete. Good luck and enjoy 😉<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024</a></p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 2984894,
      "postDate": "2024-09-10T05:32:52.717Z",
      "content": "<p>It seems that the best results come from modeling and not from an ML, so I wonder if this is really an ML competition.<br>\nThe host ( <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/GordonYip\" target=\"_blank\">@GordonYip</a> ) posted a very interesting starter workbook but I haven't seen a workbook based on the approach achieving a \"decent\" score or the host notebook with a submission.</p>\n<p>Congratulations to the French team ! Space coders ( <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/vdebout\" target=\"_blank\">@vdebout</a>  &amp; <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/skril31\" target=\"_blank\">@skril31</a> ) who demonstrated their in-depth knowledge, because they are “professionals” in the space field. They achieved an incredible score and left everyone behind 😂. I'm afraid the competition is over (no ML for me) and I've published my work for those who still want to compete. Good luck and enjoy 😉<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It seems that the best results come from modeling and not from an ML, so I wonder if this is really an ML competition.\nThe host ( @GordonYip ) posted a very interesting starter workbook but I haven't seen a workbook based on the approach achieving a \"decent\" score or the host notebook with a submission.\n\nCongratulations to the French team ! Space coders ( @vdebout  & @skril31 ) who demonstrated their in-depth knowledge, because they are “professionals” in the space field. They achieved an incredible score and left everyone behind 😂. I'm afraid the competition is over (no ML for me) and I've published my work for those who still want to compete. Good luck and enjoy 😉\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024",
      "votes": 10
    },
    {
      "id": 2985097,
      "postDate": "2024-09-10T10:14:08.440Z",
      "content": "<p>A simple 2D CNN model here with public LB 0.545 😀 </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "A simple 2D CNN model here with public LB 0.545 😀 ",
      "votes": 6,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2985140,
          "postDate": "2024-09-10T11:27:56.633Z",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/wuliaokaola\" target=\"_blank\">@wuliaokaola</a>, I'm surprised that a simple 2D CN can achieve such score, congrats !</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Hi @wuliaokaola, I'm surprised that a simple 2D CN can achieve such score, congrats !"
        },
        {
          "id": 2985149,
          "postDate": "2024-09-10T11:34:29.497Z",
          "content": "<p>This is impressive. I trained four models only to get a score of 0.556.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "This is impressive. I trained four models only to get a score of 0.556.",
          "votes": 3
        },
        {
          "id": 2985189,
          "postDate": "2024-09-10T12:14:54.800Z",
          "content": "<p>Up to 0.551 by changing sigma.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Up to 0.551 by changing sigma.",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2985192,
              "postDate": "2024-09-10T12:19:07.023Z",
              "content": "<p>Just curios: is the approach very different from my 2d cnn <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/532740\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/532740</a>?</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Just curios: is the approach very different from my 2d cnn https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/532740?",
              "votes": 2
            },
            {
              "id": 2985202,
              "postDate": "2024-09-10T12:32:23.920Z",
              "content": "<p>Actually I don't know. Because I haven't yet read your notebook.<br>\nI use 128x288x1 as input and 283 as output. The backbone is EfficientNetV2B3.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Actually I don't know. Because I haven't yet read your notebook.\nI use 128x288x1 as input and 283 as output. The backbone is EfficientNetV2B3.",
              "votes": 5
            },
            {
              "id": 2985210,
              "postDate": "2024-09-10T12:43:00.107Z",
              "content": "<p>May I recommend using MobileNet_v2? In my experiments, it was superior to EfficientNet's.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "May I recommend using MobileNet_v2? In my experiments, it was superior to EfficientNet's.",
              "votes": 3
            },
            {
              "id": 2985211,
              "postDate": "2024-09-10T12:50:06.237Z",
              "content": "<p>Thank you. I'll try it.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Thank you. I'll try it.",
              "votes": 1
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2985089,
      "postDate": "2024-09-10T10:02:32.390Z",
      "content": "<p>rather signal processing methods and optimization. Models can't handle distribution shift well enough. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "rather signal processing methods and optimization. Models can't handle distribution shift well enough. ",
      "votes": 6
    },
    {
      "id": 2985106,
      "postDate": "2024-09-10T10:31:59.460Z",
      "content": "<p>I don't know yet if this competition has a place for ML models for top scores. It may have a place mainly for predicting sigma.<br>\nHowever, is <em>is</em> definitely a data science competition :)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I don't know yet if this competition has a place for ML models for top scores. It may have a place mainly for predicting sigma.\nHowever, is *is* definitely a data science competition :)",
      "votes": 3
    },
    {
      "id": 2986080,
      "postDate": "2024-09-11T10:50:16.510Z",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/pourchot\" target=\"_blank\">@pourchot</a> you have use a ridge model in your notebook that I think is included in a private data source.</p>\n<p>Is not that ML?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "@pourchot you have use a ridge model in your notebook that I think is included in a private data source.\n\nIs not that ML?",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2986145,
          "postDate": "2024-09-11T12:08:48.997Z",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/agenlu\" target=\"_blank\">@agenlu</a>, indeed but a very simple one 😀,  but my point is to achieve a score around or above 0.6</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Hi @agenlu, indeed but a very simple one 😀,  but my point is to achieve a score around or above 0.6",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2985097,
      "author_name": "Johnny Lee",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-09-10T10:14:08.440000",
      "content": "<p>A simple 2D CNN model here with public LB 0.545 😀 </p>",
      "votes": 6,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2985140,
          "author_name": "Laurent Pourchot",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-09-10T11:27:56.633000",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/wuliaokaola\" target=\"_blank\">@wuliaokaola</a>, I'm surprised that a simple 2D CN can achieve such score, congrats !</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 2985149,
          "author_name": "ChingYinNg",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-09-10T11:34:29.497000",
          "content": "<p>This is impressive. I trained four models only to get a score of 0.556.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 2985189,
          "author_name": "Johnny Lee",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-09-10T12:14:54.800000",
          "content": "<p>Up to 0.551 by changing sigma.</p>",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2985192,
              "author_name": "Sergei Fironov",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-09-10T12:19:07.023000",
              "content": "<p>Just curios: is the approach very different from my 2d cnn <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/532740\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ariel-data-challenge-2024/discussion/532740</a>?</p>",
              "votes": 2,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2985202,
              "author_name": "Johnny Lee",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-09-10T12:32:23.920000",
              "content": "<p>Actually I don't know. Because I haven't yet read your notebook.<br>\nI use 128x288x1 as input and 283 as output. The backbone is EfficientNetV2B3.</p>",
              "votes": 5,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2985210,
              "author_name": "Sergei Fironov",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-09-10T12:43:00.107000",
              "content": "<p>May I recommend using MobileNet_v2? In my experiments, it was superior to EfficientNet's.</p>",
              "votes": 3,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2985211,
              "author_name": "Johnny Lee",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-09-10T12:50:06.237000",
              "content": "<p>Thank you. I'll try it.</p>",
              "votes": 1,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2985089,
      "author_name": "Sergei Fironov",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-09-10T10:02:32.390000",
      "content": "<p>rather signal processing methods and optimization. Models can't handle distribution shift well enough. </p>",
      "votes": 6,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2985106,
      "author_name": "greySnow",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-09-10T10:31:59.460000",
      "content": "<p>I don't know yet if this competition has a place for ML models for top scores. It may have a place mainly for predicting sigma.<br>\nHowever, is <em>is</em> definitely a data science competition :)</p>",
      "votes": 3,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2986080,
      "author_name": "agenlu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-09-11T10:50:16.510000",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/pourchot\" target=\"_blank\">@pourchot</a> you have use a ridge model in your notebook that I think is included in a private data source.</p>\n<p>Is not that ML?</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2986145,
          "author_name": "Laurent Pourchot",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-09-11T12:08:48.997000",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/agenlu\" target=\"_blank\">@agenlu</a>, indeed but a very simple one 😀,  but my point is to achieve a score around or above 0.6</p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
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    "2984894": "It seems that the best results come from modeling and not from an ML, so I wonder if this is really an ML competition.\nThe host ( @GordonYip ) posted a very interesting starter workbook but I haven't seen a workbook based on the approach achieving a \"decent\" score or the host notebook with a submission.\n\nCongratulations to the French team ! Space coders ( @vdebout  & @skril31 ) who demonstrated their in-depth knowledge, because they are “professionals” in the space field. They achieved an incredible score and left everyone behind 😂. I'm afraid the competition is over (no ML for me) and I've published my work for those who still want to compete. Good luck and enjoy 😉\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/pourchot/ariel-data-challenge-2024",
    "2985097": "A simple 2D CNN model here with public LB 0.545 😀 ",
    "2985089": "rather signal processing methods and optimization. Models can't handle distribution shift well enough. ",
    "2985106": "I don't know yet if this competition has a place for ML models for top scores. It may have a place mainly for predicting sigma.\nHowever, is *is* definitely a data science competition :)",
    "2986080": "@pourchot you have use a ridge model in your notebook that I think is included in a private data source.\n\nIs not that ML?"
  }
}