Several people have requested a deadline extension to compensate for the initial submission issues. The host team and I have decided to go ahead with a two week extension. The new deadline is August 24th. Our hope is that, given how far we still are from the close of the competition, this will allow more people to compete successfully without being too disruptive of any existing plans.
", "messages": [ { "id": 2294162, "postDate": "2023-06-09T20:31:18.063Z", "content": "Several people have requested a deadline extension to compensate for the initial submission issues. The host team and I have decided to go ahead with a two week extension. The new deadline is August 24th. Our hope is that, given how far we still are from the close of the competition, this will allow more people to compete successfully without being too disruptive of any existing plans.
", "rawMarkdown": "Several people have requested a deadline extension to compensate for the initial submission issues. The host team and I have decided to go ahead with a two week extension. The new deadline is August 24th. Our hope is that, given how far we still are from the close of the competition, this will allow more people to compete successfully without being too disruptive of any existing plans. ", "votes": 47 }, { "id": 2294264, "postDate": "2023-06-09T23:20:56.397Z", "content": "I'm saddened by this news. I was really looking forward to this competition and had even rescheduled my vacation to August 10th, right after the competition deadline. Now it seems I've either lost two weeks of the competition or my vacation. 😑
\nI also couldn't make any submissions at the start of the competition, but that didn't prevent me from training my models locally.
\nI hope this will help those who asked for it to come up with awesome solutions.
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm saddened by this news. I was really looking forward to this competition and had even rescheduled my vacation to August 10th, right after the competition deadline. Now it seems I've either lost two weeks of the competition or my vacation. 😑\n\nI also couldn't make any submissions at the start of the competition, but that didn't prevent me from training my models locally.\n\nI hope this will help those who asked for it to come up with awesome solutions.", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 2294266, "postDate": "2023-06-09T23:27:51.940Z", "content": "I'm sorry to hear that. We had hoped to avoid this kind of impact. Thanks for providing feedback; this will help us calibrate the next time this sort of decision comes up.
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm sorry to hear that. We had hoped to avoid this kind of impact. Thanks for providing feedback; this will help us calibrate the next time this sort of decision comes up.", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 2294517, "postDate": "2023-06-10T06:11:43.340Z", "content": "@kolyaforrat - am sure you will do well in this competition as in the previous, so enjoy your vacation and don't worry. Did point out in discussions you and others managed to make submissions and it was a good opportunity for everyone to learn and try to find other ways when things are not working. This is more challenging than some other competitions.
\nAnyways, good luck. The fact that you were succeeding kept me working on this.
@sohier - sorry to see the downvotes here. damned if you do and damned if you don't. Sure some will appreciate the 2 wks.
", "rawMarkdown": "@kolyaforrat - am sure you will do well in this competition as in the previous, so enjoy your vacation and don't worry. Did point out in discussions you and others managed to make submissions and it was a good opportunity for everyone to learn and try to find other ways when things are not working. This is more challenging than some other competitions. \nAnyways, good luck. The fact that you were succeeding kept me working on this.\n\n@sohier - sorry to see the downvotes here. damned if you do and damned if you don't. Sure some will appreciate the 2 wks.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2294676, "postDate": "2023-06-10T08:21:43.110Z", "content": "Similarly for me, the additional weeks will be the weeks during which I'm moving to college, so it will be very difficult to focus on the competition during this time, and I had joined the competition with the original timeline in mind. I'm also confused by the complains regarding submission difficulties, as my pre and post processing worked on first try (including more complex processing like selecting dominant hand & throwing out nan frames) - I actually wish I created a submission earlier given how simple it was. Furthermore there was nothing stopping people from training models locally.
\nAdding two weeks does allow people to come up with more complex modeling since their struggles with debugging will matter less with the postponed deadline, but at the end of the day this is a competition, and I think changing the rules on the fly due to a trivial matter like this sets a negative precedent.
", "rawMarkdown": "Similarly for me, the additional weeks will be the weeks during which I'm moving to college, so it will be very difficult to focus on the competition during this time, and I had joined the competition with the original timeline in mind. I'm also confused by the complains regarding submission difficulties, as my pre and post processing worked on first try (including more complex processing like selecting dominant hand & throwing out nan frames) - I actually wish I created a submission earlier given how simple it was. Furthermore there was nothing stopping people from training models locally.\n\nAdding two weeks does allow people to come up with more complex modeling since their struggles with debugging will matter less with the postponed deadline, but at the end of the day this is a competition, and I think changing the rules on the fly due to a trivial matter like this sets a negative precedent. ", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2294758, "postDate": "2023-06-10T09:42:12.983Z", "content": "Hi @kolyaforrat , @megaray ,
\nI can understand your frustrations, since this means you may get more competition from people who had maybe given up and will now restart their efforts thanks to the extra time. But note that this extension doesn't give you less time than others, especially since you managed to start earlier than most. It only gives others more time to catch up. If you have scheduled time to invest by the original deadline and have already given it your best by then, two more weeks should not make a lot of difference for you. For people who have limited time available in June or July, these two weeks can make all the difference between giving up or having a go after all.
\nNote that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes. What we saw over the first few weeks was very few participants and only a handful of people actually competing. Now that all the issues have been cleared out and some of us have spent a lot of effort in clarifying (for everyone) why the issues are occurring and how to solve them, I see the participant numbers and successful submissions are rising. For my part, I feel this makes the competition much more interesting.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi @kolyaforrat , @megaray ,\n\nI can understand your frustrations, since this means you may get more competition from people who had maybe given up and will now restart their efforts thanks to the extra time. But note that this extension doesn't give you **less** time than others, especially since you managed to start earlier than most. It only gives others **more** time to catch up. If you have scheduled time to invest by the original deadline and have already given it your best by then, two more weeks should not make a lot of difference for you. For people who have limited time available in June or July, these two weeks can make all the difference between giving up or having a go after all.\n\nNote that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes. What we saw over the first few weeks was very few participants and only a handful of people actually competing. Now that all the issues have been cleared out and some of us have spent a lot of effort in clarifying (for everyone) why the issues are occurring and how to solve them, I see the participant numbers and successful submissions are rising. For my part, I feel this makes the competition **much** more interesting.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2294799, "postDate": "2023-06-10T10:42:20.683Z", "content": "Firstly, I was satisfied with Sohier's response. What's done is done, and I will accept that. But it's important for me that my feedback will be considered in the future.
\nBut if you want to discuss specific aspects, that's fine:
\nYou may have participated in competitions before, and you know that the last 2-3 weeks are very important as this is the best time for forming teams and combining solutions. This requires a lot of work and a great deal of time. Therefore, the loss of this part of the competition may affect the final result.
\nBut I am also glad that all issues with submissions have been resolved. I don't think this contradicts my disappointment about the deadline extension.
\n\n\nNote that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes.
\n
Kaggle is undeniably a wonderful place for learners, but this doesn't means that \"prize shooters\" not matters. In my opinion, it's unlikely that such high-quality and large-scale competitions with huge prize pools would be conducted solely for learners, rather than for finding the best solutions to a specific problem. These solutions are typically provided by participants who invest a lot of effort and time and also their GPU resources and accumulated experience. In my view, this is equivalent to racing for the prizes.
", "rawMarkdown": "Firstly, I was satisfied with Sohier's response. What's done is done, and I will accept that. But it's important for me that my feedback will be considered in the future.\n\nBut if you want to discuss specific aspects, that's fine:\n\nYou may have participated in competitions before, and you know that the last 2-3 weeks are very important as this is the best time for forming teams and combining solutions. This requires a lot of work and a great deal of time. Therefore, the loss of this part of the competition may affect the final result.\n\nBut I am also glad that all issues with submissions have been resolved. I don't think this contradicts my disappointment about the deadline extension.\n\n> Note that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes.\n\nKaggle is undeniably a wonderful place for learners, but this doesn't means that \"prize shooters\" not matters. In my opinion, it's unlikely that such high-quality and large-scale competitions with huge prize pools would be conducted solely for learners, rather than for finding the best solutions to a specific problem. These solutions are typically provided by participants who invest a lot of effort and time and also their GPU resources and accumulated experience. In my view, this is equivalent to racing for the prizes.", "votes": 7 } ] } ] }, { "id": 2295027, "postDate": "2023-06-10T14:20:45.463Z", "content": "Thank you for the deadline extension @sohier. Much appreciated as it would give an equal opportunity to each one of us to come up with the best possible solution. It's sad to see people complaining over it, it's so crucial to remember that the purpose of the competition is the primary focus. Regardless of individual motivations, whether it's for learning, personal growth, or competing for the prize, our collective aim should be to contribute the most optimal solutions that can truly make a positive impact for the deaf community which these 2 weeks would give us! :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for the deadline extension @sohier. Much appreciated as it would give an equal opportunity to each one of us to come up with the best possible solution. It's sad to see people complaining over it, it's so crucial to remember that the purpose of the competition is the primary focus. Regardless of individual motivations, whether it's for learning, personal growth, or competing for the prize, our collective aim should be to contribute the most optimal solutions that can truly make a positive impact for the deaf community which these 2 weeks would give us! :)", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 2317993, "postDate": "2023-06-26T06:02:31.390Z", "content": "Does it really matter whether you have 2 months or 2.5 months if you participate not for prizes, just learning?
", "rawMarkdown": "Does it really matter whether you have 2 months or 2.5 months if you participate not for prizes, just learning?", "replies": [ { "id": 2318155, "postDate": "2023-06-26T08:06:32.663Z", "content": "As I said in my previous response, no matter our individual goals, be it learning or prizes, our collective goal should be to come up with the most optimal solution that could help the deaf community. So, yeah extending the period would give all of us another 14 days of experimentation & brain storming for that! :)
", "rawMarkdown": "As I said in my previous response, no matter our individual goals, be it learning or prizes, our collective goal should be to come up with the most optimal solution that could help the deaf community. So, yeah extending the period would give all of us another 14 days of experimentation & brain storming for that! :)" } ] } ] }, { "id": 2857956, "postDate": "2024-06-06T07:41:23.793Z", "content": "can this be extended for few days more.
", "rawMarkdown": "can this be extended for few days more." }, { "id": 2406786, "postDate": "2023-08-24T16:45:36.613Z", "content": "Requesting to increase the deadline for more days.
", "rawMarkdown": "Requesting to increase the deadline for more days.\n" }, { "id": 2374337, "postDate": "2023-08-04T21:36:18.390Z", "content": "Can we finish it earlier
", "rawMarkdown": "Can we finish it earlier" }, { "id": 2371142, "postDate": "2023-08-02T23:42:24.670Z", "content": "I look forward to the final product however as someone who uses ASL and conversational sign language I see the difficulty at hand.
", "rawMarkdown": "I look forward to the final product however as someone who uses ASL and conversational sign language I see the difficulty at hand. " }, { "id": 2365232, "postDate": "2023-07-30T05:09:23.177Z", "content": "So great decision you made
", "rawMarkdown": "So great decision you made", "replies": [ { "id": 2365690, "postDate": "2023-07-30T12:22:51.367Z", "content": "Yes! It is a great decision that has been made of extension
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes! It is a great decision that has been made of extension" } ] }, { "id": 2364015, "postDate": "2023-07-29T04:39:17.033Z", "content": "Very Nice!
", "rawMarkdown": "Very Nice!" }, { "id": 2359435, "postDate": "2023-07-26T07:07:04.283Z", "content": "Cool! This will totally help
", "rawMarkdown": "Cool! This will totally help" }, { "id": 2354409, "postDate": "2023-07-22T12:09:01.120Z", "content": "Good decision
", "rawMarkdown": "Good decision" }, { "id": 2354065, "postDate": "2023-07-22T08:02:33.623Z", "content": "great decision
", "rawMarkdown": "great decision" }, { "id": 2352072, "postDate": "2023-07-20T15:53:37.533Z", "content": "good decision!
", "rawMarkdown": "good decision!" }, { "id": 2351893, "postDate": "2023-07-20T13:03:26.487Z", "content": "Nice decision
", "rawMarkdown": "Nice decision" }, { "id": 2351215, "postDate": "2023-07-19T23:51:22.943Z", "content": "good decision
", "rawMarkdown": "good decision" }, { "id": 2354408, "postDate": "2023-07-22T12:07:44.627Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 2351653, "postDate": "2023-07-20T09:58:10.297Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": -1, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 2350502, "postDate": "2023-07-19T09:15:38.017Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": -2, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 2379798, "postDate": "2023-08-08T09:47:15.167Z", "content": "thank you so much!
", "rawMarkdown": "thank you so much!" }, { "id": 2369457, "postDate": "2023-08-01T18:49:00.280Z", "content": "Thanks. Good decision.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks. Good decision. " } ], "comments": [ { "id": 2294264, "author_name": "Kolya Forrat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-09T23:20:56.397000", "content": "I'm saddened by this news. I was really looking forward to this competition and had even rescheduled my vacation to August 10th, right after the competition deadline. Now it seems I've either lost two weeks of the competition or my vacation. 😑
\nI also couldn't make any submissions at the start of the competition, but that didn't prevent me from training my models locally.
\nI hope this will help those who asked for it to come up with awesome solutions.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 2294266, "author_name": "Sohier Dane", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-09T23:27:51.940000", "content": "I'm sorry to hear that. We had hoped to avoid this kind of impact. Thanks for providing feedback; this will help us calibrate the next time this sort of decision comes up.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2294517, "author_name": "something4kag", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-10T06:11:43.340000", "content": "@kolyaforrat - am sure you will do well in this competition as in the previous, so enjoy your vacation and don't worry. Did point out in discussions you and others managed to make submissions and it was a good opportunity for everyone to learn and try to find other ways when things are not working. This is more challenging than some other competitions.
\nAnyways, good luck. The fact that you were succeeding kept me working on this.
@sohier - sorry to see the downvotes here. damned if you do and damned if you don't. Sure some will appreciate the 2 wks.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2294676, "author_name": "Roman Yakunin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-10T08:21:43.110000", "content": "Similarly for me, the additional weeks will be the weeks during which I'm moving to college, so it will be very difficult to focus on the competition during this time, and I had joined the competition with the original timeline in mind. I'm also confused by the complains regarding submission difficulties, as my pre and post processing worked on first try (including more complex processing like selecting dominant hand & throwing out nan frames) - I actually wish I created a submission earlier given how simple it was. Furthermore there was nothing stopping people from training models locally.
\nAdding two weeks does allow people to come up with more complex modeling since their struggles with debugging will matter less with the postponed deadline, but at the end of the day this is a competition, and I think changing the rules on the fly due to a trivial matter like this sets a negative precedent.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2294758, "author_name": "Wondering Alice", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-10T09:42:12.983000", "content": "Hi @kolyaforrat , @megaray ,
\nI can understand your frustrations, since this means you may get more competition from people who had maybe given up and will now restart their efforts thanks to the extra time. But note that this extension doesn't give you less time than others, especially since you managed to start earlier than most. It only gives others more time to catch up. If you have scheduled time to invest by the original deadline and have already given it your best by then, two more weeks should not make a lot of difference for you. For people who have limited time available in June or July, these two weeks can make all the difference between giving up or having a go after all.
\nNote that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes. What we saw over the first few weeks was very few participants and only a handful of people actually competing. Now that all the issues have been cleared out and some of us have spent a lot of effort in clarifying (for everyone) why the issues are occurring and how to solve them, I see the participant numbers and successful submissions are rising. For my part, I feel this makes the competition much more interesting.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2294799, "author_name": "Kolya Forrat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-10T10:42:20.683000", "content": "Firstly, I was satisfied with Sohier's response. What's done is done, and I will accept that. But it's important for me that my feedback will be considered in the future.
\nBut if you want to discuss specific aspects, that's fine:
\nYou may have participated in competitions before, and you know that the last 2-3 weeks are very important as this is the best time for forming teams and combining solutions. This requires a lot of work and a great deal of time. Therefore, the loss of this part of the competition may affect the final result.
\nBut I am also glad that all issues with submissions have been resolved. I don't think this contradicts my disappointment about the deadline extension.
\n\n\nNote that Kaggle is mostly a learning platform and the large majority of people is here to learn, not to have a shot at the prizes.
\n
Kaggle is undeniably a wonderful place for learners, but this doesn't means that \"prize shooters\" not matters. In my opinion, it's unlikely that such high-quality and large-scale competitions with huge prize pools would be conducted solely for learners, rather than for finding the best solutions to a specific problem. These solutions are typically provided by participants who invest a lot of effort and time and also their GPU resources and accumulated experience. In my view, this is equivalent to racing for the prizes.
", "votes": 7, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2295027, "author_name": "AC", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-10T14:20:45.463000", "content": "Thank you for the deadline extension @sohier. Much appreciated as it would give an equal opportunity to each one of us to come up with the best possible solution. It's sad to see people complaining over it, it's so crucial to remember that the purpose of the competition is the primary focus. Regardless of individual motivations, whether it's for learning, personal growth, or competing for the prize, our collective aim should be to contribute the most optimal solutions that can truly make a positive impact for the deaf community which these 2 weeks would give us! :)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 2317993, "author_name": "Sdelnikov Aleksandr", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-26T06:02:31.390000", "content": "Does it really matter whether you have 2 months or 2.5 months if you participate not for prizes, just learning?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 2318155, "author_name": "AC", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-26T08:06:32.663000", "content": "As I said in my previous response, no matter our individual goals, be it learning or prizes, our collective goal should be to come up with the most optimal solution that could help the deaf community. So, yeah extending the period would give all of us another 14 days of experimentation & brain storming for that! :)
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2857956, "author_name": "Tarun Mehta77", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-06-06T07:41:23.793000", "content": "can this be extended for few days more.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2406786, "author_name": "Karthik", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-08-24T16:45:36.613000", "content": "Requesting to increase the deadline for more days.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2374337, "author_name": "Meghanath Reddy Vintha", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-08-04T21:36:18.390000", "content": "Can we finish it earlier
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2371142, "author_name": "Yvette Stevenson Rod", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-08-02T23:42:24.670000", "content": "I look forward to the final product however as someone who uses ASL and conversational sign language I see the difficulty at hand.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2365232, "author_name": "Stephanie Zheng", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-30T05:09:23.177000", "content": "So great decision you made
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 2365690, "author_name": "Maaz Atiq", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-30T12:22:51.367000", "content": "Yes! It is a great decision that has been made of extension
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 2364015, "author_name": "MKMK01", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-29T04:39:17.033000", "content": "Very Nice!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2359435, "author_name": "Bintang Anandhiya", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-26T07:07:04.283000", "content": "Cool! This will totally help
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2354409, "author_name": "Mouad AIT HA", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-22T12:09:01.120000", "content": "Good decision
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2354065, "author_name": "Sourabh Singh", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-22T08:02:33.623000", "content": "great decision
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2352072, "author_name": "Son1que", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-20T15:53:37.533000", "content": "good decision!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2351893, "author_name": "Burhan Amjad", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-20T13:03:26.487000", "content": "Nice decision
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2351215, "author_name": "Luan Maieski", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-19T23:51:22.943000", "content": "good decision
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2354408, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-22T12:07:44.627000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2351653, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-20T09:58:10.297000", "content": "", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2350502, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-07-19T09:15:38.017000", "content": "", "votes": -2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2379798, "author_name": "hiroki nishizawa", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-08-08T09:47:15.167000", "content": "thank you so much!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2369457, "author_name": "Rushie Karteek Challa", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-08-01T18:49:00.280000", "content": "Thanks. Good decision.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "2294162": "Several people have requested a deadline extension to compensate for the initial submission issues. The host team and I have decided to go ahead with a two week extension. The new deadline is August 24th. Our hope is that, given how far we still are from the close of the competition, this will allow more people to compete successfully without being too disruptive of any existing plans. ", "2294264": "I'm saddened by this news. I was really looking forward to this competition and had even rescheduled my vacation to August 10th, right after the competition deadline. Now it seems I've either lost two weeks of the competition or my vacation. 😑\n\nI also couldn't make any submissions at the start of the competition, but that didn't prevent me from training my models locally.\n\nI hope this will help those who asked for it to come up with awesome solutions.", "2295027": "Thank you for the deadline extension @sohier. Much appreciated as it would give an equal opportunity to each one of us to come up with the best possible solution. It's sad to see people complaining over it, it's so crucial to remember that the purpose of the competition is the primary focus. Regardless of individual motivations, whether it's for learning, personal growth, or competing for the prize, our collective aim should be to contribute the most optimal solutions that can truly make a positive impact for the deaf community which these 2 weeks would give us! :)", "2857956": "can this be extended for few days more.", "2406786": "Requesting to increase the deadline for more days.\n", "2374337": "Can we finish it earlier", "2371142": "I look forward to the final product however as someone who uses ASL and conversational sign language I see the difficulty at hand. ", "2365232": "So great decision you made", "2364015": "Very Nice!", "2359435": "Cool! This will totally help", "2354409": "Good decision", "2354065": "great decision", "2352072": "good decision!", "2351893": "Nice decision", "2351215": "good decision", "2354408": "", "2351653": "", "2350502": "", "2379798": "thank you so much!", "2369457": "Thanks. Good decision. " } }