i am training my model right now and so far i am seeing some strange behaviour from the targets q0002_15 to q0002_28 and q0003_12. and apparently, as @jano123 figured out, you can just do ptend_q0002_{idx} = -state_q0002_{idx}/1200 for these? it seems like this is just a mistake in the simulation? shouldnt they just be zeroed out with the weights?
\n@jerrylin96 and also can we assume that this mistake will also be in the test set? because if it isn't it would result in low scores like -40000 for bascially everyone
", "messages": [ { "id": 2810588, "postDate": "2024-05-13T10:40:15.227Z", "content": "@at7459 It's off-topic, but I found you seems to be currently using multiple accounts[1]. And this is against competition rule.
\n\nOne account per participant\n\nYou cannot sign up to Kaggle from accounts therefore you cannot from accounts.\nThe rule says submitting multiple account is prohibited, but not explicitly saying the case just using multiple account for some reason, and only submitting with one account in a competition.
\nAlthough it is not explicitly written, considering the context in which the rules were set, it is deemed undesirable. To avoid being banned, I recommend that you confirm the appropriate measures with the Kaggle team.
\n@ashleychow @sohier How about the above case?
\nP.S. He seems to be just not knowing this rule. Otherwise, he wouldn't write in his bio as such:
\n\n\naka https://www.kaggle.com/kaggledoer
\n
\n new account because competitions have become very resource-intensive
So I think immediate ban is not appropriate.
", "rawMarkdown": "The rule says submitting multiple account is prohibited, but not explicitly saying the case **just using multiple account for some reason, and only submitting with one account in a competition**.\n\nAlthough it is not explicitly written, considering the context in which the rules were set, it is deemed undesirable. To avoid being banned, I recommend that you confirm the appropriate measures with the Kaggle team.\n\n@ashleychow @sohier How about the above case?\n\nP.S. He seems to be just not knowing this rule. Otherwise, he wouldn't write in his bio as such:\n\n> aka https://www.kaggle.com/kaggledoer\n> new account because competitions have become very resource-intensive\n\nSo I think immediate ban is not appropriate.", "replies": [ { "id": 2810608, "postDate": "2024-05-13T10:55:09.533Z", "content": "i havent tried, but i am pretty sure i couldn't even log onto my other account if i wanted to
", "rawMarkdown": "i havent tried, but i am pretty sure i couldn't even log onto my other account if i wanted to" }, { "id": 2810619, "postDate": "2024-05-13T11:02:55.407Z", "content": "As I mentioned earlier, I can infer that you have no ill intentions, but to maintain fairness, I believe it is appropriate to follow the instructions of the Kaggle team.
", "rawMarkdown": "As I mentioned earlier, I can infer that you have no ill intentions, but to maintain fairness, I believe it is appropriate to follow the instructions of the Kaggle team." }, { "id": 2810626, "postDate": "2024-05-13T11:08:43.860Z", "content": "yeah no, thanks fo your concern, but my other account is tied to this one, and i am pretty sure they wouldn't even allow a creation of another tied account if it is somehow against their rules.
", "rawMarkdown": "yeah no, thanks fo your concern, but my other account is tied to this one, and i am pretty sure they wouldn't even allow a creation of another tied account if it is somehow against their rules." }, { "id": 2810638, "postDate": "2024-05-13T11:20:47.333Z", "content": "Whether an activity is mechanically prohibited and whether it violates the rules are separate issues. In any case, the decision is up to the Kaggle team.
", "rawMarkdown": "Whether an activity is mechanically prohibited and whether it violates the rules are separate issues. In any case, the decision is up to the Kaggle team." }, { "id": 2810657, "postDate": "2024-05-13T11:34:56.210Z", "content": "i just looked around a bit and by creating this account (same phone number) my other account actually got locked, i also remember there being some popup that my other account will get locked when i created this one, so there should be no problem
\nand as per the rules i am neither under control of or operating under my original account, and, of course, i am not submitting with multiple accounts for any competition on kaggle so everything should be fine
", "rawMarkdown": "i just looked around a bit and by creating this account (same phone number) my other account actually got locked, i also remember there being some popup that my other account will get locked when i created this one, so there should be no problem\n\nand as per the rules i am neither under control of or operating under my original account, and, of course, i am not submitting with multiple accounts for any competition on kaggle so everything should be fine" }, { "id": 2811824, "postDate": "2024-05-13T23:28:29.587Z", "content": "Thanks @tatamikenn for looping us in! As @at7459 mentioned, the other account was already locked. Also, we will run the anti-cheating algorithms after competition ends as normal process. Thanks for flagging to us!
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks @tatamikenn for looping us in! As @at7459 mentioned, the other account was already locked. Also, we will run the anti-cheating algorithms after competition ends as normal process. Thanks for flagging to us!", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2811880, "postDate": "2024-05-14T01:18:39.997Z", "content": "@ashleychow O.K. Thanks for clarification.
\n@at7459 I understand the point. Sorry for bother.
", "rawMarkdown": "@ashleychow O.K. Thanks for clarification.\n\n@at7459 I understand the point. Sorry for bother.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2812082, "postDate": "2024-05-14T05:28:27.507Z", "content": "yeah it's ok, i also understand your frustration with cheaters
", "rawMarkdown": "yeah it's ok, i also understand your frustration with cheaters", "votes": 3 } ] } ] }, { "id": 2810427, "postDate": "2024-05-13T09:10:43.487Z", "content": "i am training my model right now and so far i am seeing some strange behaviour from the targets q0002_15 to q0002_28 and q0003_12. and apparently, as @jano123 figured out, you can just do ptend_q0002_{idx} = -state_q0002_{idx}/1200 for these? it seems like this is just a mistake in the simulation? shouldnt they just be zeroed out with the weights?
\n@jerrylin96 and also can we assume that this mistake will also be in the test set? because if it isn't it would result in low scores like -40000 for bascially everyone
", "rawMarkdown": "i am training my model right now and so far i am seeing some strange behaviour from the targets q0002_15 to q0002_28 and q0003_12. and apparently, as @jano123 figured out, you can just do ptend_q0002_{idx} = -state_q0002_{idx}/1200 for these? it seems like this is just a mistake in the simulation? shouldnt they just be zeroed out with the weights?\n\n@jerrylin96 and also can we assume that this mistake will also be in the test set? because if it isn't it would result in low scores like -40000 for bascially everyone\n", "votes": 1 } ], "comments": [ { "id": 2810588, "author_name": "Bilzard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T10:40:15.227000", "content": "@at7459 It's off-topic, but I found you seems to be currently using multiple accounts[1]. And this is against competition rule.
\n\nOne account per participant\n\nYou cannot sign up to Kaggle from accounts therefore you cannot from accounts.\nThe rule says submitting multiple account is prohibited, but not explicitly saying the case just using multiple account for some reason, and only submitting with one account in a competition.
\nAlthough it is not explicitly written, considering the context in which the rules were set, it is deemed undesirable. To avoid being banned, I recommend that you confirm the appropriate measures with the Kaggle team.
\n@ashleychow @sohier How about the above case?
\nP.S. He seems to be just not knowing this rule. Otherwise, he wouldn't write in his bio as such:
\n\n\naka https://www.kaggle.com/kaggledoer
\n
\n new account because competitions have become very resource-intensive
So I think immediate ban is not appropriate.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 2810608, "author_name": "at7459", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T10:55:09.533000", "content": "i havent tried, but i am pretty sure i couldn't even log onto my other account if i wanted to
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2810619, "author_name": "Bilzard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T11:02:55.407000", "content": "As I mentioned earlier, I can infer that you have no ill intentions, but to maintain fairness, I believe it is appropriate to follow the instructions of the Kaggle team.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2810626, "author_name": "at7459", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T11:08:43.860000", "content": "yeah no, thanks fo your concern, but my other account is tied to this one, and i am pretty sure they wouldn't even allow a creation of another tied account if it is somehow against their rules.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2810638, "author_name": "Bilzard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T11:20:47.333000", "content": "Whether an activity is mechanically prohibited and whether it violates the rules are separate issues. In any case, the decision is up to the Kaggle team.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2810657, "author_name": "at7459", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T11:34:56.210000", "content": "i just looked around a bit and by creating this account (same phone number) my other account actually got locked, i also remember there being some popup that my other account will get locked when i created this one, so there should be no problem
\nand as per the rules i am neither under control of or operating under my original account, and, of course, i am not submitting with multiple accounts for any competition on kaggle so everything should be fine
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2811824, "author_name": "Ashley Chow", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-13T23:28:29.587000", "content": "Thanks @tatamikenn for looping us in! As @at7459 mentioned, the other account was already locked. Also, we will run the anti-cheating algorithms after competition ends as normal process. Thanks for flagging to us!
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2811880, "author_name": "Bilzard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-14T01:18:39.997000", "content": "@ashleychow O.K. Thanks for clarification.
\n@at7459 I understand the point. Sorry for bother.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2812082, "author_name": "at7459", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2024-05-14T05:28:27.507000", "content": "yeah it's ok, i also understand your frustration with cheaters
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] } ] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "2810588": "@at7459 It's off-topic, but I found you seems to be currently using multiple accounts[1]. And this is **against competition rule**.\n\n- [1] https://www.kaggle.com/kaggledoer\n\n```\nOne account per participant\n\nYou cannot sign up to Kaggle from multiple accounts and therefore you cannot submit from multiple accounts.\n```", "2810427": "i am training my model right now and so far i am seeing some strange behaviour from the targets q0002_15 to q0002_28 and q0003_12. and apparently, as @jano123 figured out, you can just do ptend_q0002_{idx} = -state_q0002_{idx}/1200 for these? it seems like this is just a mistake in the simulation? shouldnt they just be zeroed out with the weights?\n\n@jerrylin96 and also can we assume that this mistake will also be in the test set? because if it isn't it would result in low scores like -40000 for bascially everyone\n" } }